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Post by *Gypsy* on Jan 19, 2008 17:13:21 GMT -5
 [glow=red,2,300] Some Thoughts on Curses....
One thing about any kind of CURSE if it's justifiable to that person then does that make it wrong?One story I always wondered about was....
Giles Corey he refused to enter a plea, and was crushed to death by stone weights, in an attempt to force him to do so.
He was over 80 years old, and was killed by having heavy stones pressed onto him for refusing to submit to a trial on witchcraft charges. Hundreds of other people were jailed and faced accusations of witchcraft without trial until the hysteria subsided.
If I remember right it was a very slow and painful Death...I think 3 days of HELL. But Giles Corey a <Non Witch>
With his dying breath, Giles Corey addressed Sheriff Corwin “d**n you Sheriff I curse you and Salem!”Local Salem historian and former High Sheriff of Essex County Robert Ellis Cahill discovered some years ago that the curse of Giles Corey may have come to bear. He notes that each and every Sheriff down from George Corwin to himself, each headquartered at the Salem Jail overlooking the the place where Corey was killed, had died while in office or had been forced out of his post as the result of a heart or blood ailment. Corwin himself died in 1696, not long after the trials, of a heart attack.So my Question is....Was this curse justifiable?
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Post by osran on Jan 20, 2008 11:45:24 GMT -5
Heh..Good subject to bring into the play. But my answer is easy. " No, I have never ever believed in the power of the Curses. " I do not believe that any human soul needs to endure any type of black magick or curses for that matter. No matter what their crimes was, either murder or something simple.
Because I know a Curse when I see one and I actually seen a friend's family going through a cycle of c urses and since then I never ever believed that anyone should go through it.
Blessed be.
Osran
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Post by dragonsteve on Jan 20, 2008 12:13:58 GMT -5
If doing a curse you would let the person to be cursed ( The victim ) know of it, This would play on there mind and even help the curse work. One way to help stopping a curse would be to not ecknowledge it and in doing so would greatly reduce its affectiveness.
so as to answer your question Gypsy if you "believe" in curses then yes they are very real. I think osran is being very clever in the way that he answers, He says he does not believe in curses. but at the same time he does acknowledge that he knows people that have being victim of a cusre.
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Post by *Gypsy* on Jan 20, 2008 12:44:02 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300] [/glow] [glow=red,2,300] As we can see from history....the tongue cuts sharply.It's amazing but the curse of Giles Corey is still effecting High Sheriff of Essex County even today.[/glow] |
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Post by osran on Jan 20, 2008 13:54:01 GMT -5
I've underestimated you Dragon. Lol. Although I do believe in them. I'm just saying that I do not believe that no one should ever have to go through a cycle or a single curse. No matter what they're crime is.
But yes, I do know how to counter a curse on varities of lvls. But so help me Goddess if I ever do get cursed. Heh.
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Post by dragonsteve on Jan 20, 2008 14:42:50 GMT -5
 Death Shall Come on Swift Wings To Him Who Disturbs the Peace of the King... Supposedly engraved on the exterior of King Tutankhamen's Tomb A Few Authentic Curses from Mummy Tombs As for anybody who shall enter this tomb in his impurity: I shall ring his neck as a bird's. As for any man who shall destroy these, it is the god Thoth who shall destroy him. As for him who shall destroy this inscription: He shall not reach his home. He shall not embrace his children. He shall not see success.
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Post by starr on Jan 20, 2008 14:44:01 GMT -5
There have been several "curses" throughout history that appear to be real, King Tuts Tomb and the one on the American Presidency are also good examples. I believe that there is some form of extreme negative energy that can carry over in situations and that it affects the present situation. Are they deserved? This is a judgement question in assessing anothers actions and I prefer not to judge that. Beyond my scope of knowledge and therefore any conclusion I draw is bound to be in error. Very good question.
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Post by dragonsteve on Jan 20, 2008 20:20:55 GMT -5
There is a dark curse that we all have over use. It is so powerful that it can make your life miserable and negatively affect our relationships. But we can learn how to overcome this dark curse. It is so unwanted that it can upset your whole day and throw you into a depression. It will damage relationships and ruin your work life. It can cause ulcers and other diseases. It can drive you to quit your job, divorce your spouse, and seek psychologists.
Do you get the idea that this is something very unwanted in your life.
Researchers say that we can have up to 50,000 of these things each day. They fill each moment of our lives and rarely leave us alone. They actually attract into our lives the experiences and objects that surround us. They permeate everything and everywhere.
So what is this curse, This curse is our thoughts.
There are two types of thoughts, negative thoughts and positive thoughts. Of the 50,000 that we experience each and every day, some people will entertain a large majority of their thoughts as negative. And the negative thoughts will manifest into their lives the effects described above. Negative thoughts attract into our lives unwanted experiences, objects, and relationships. The law of attraction says that what we focus on expands. Negative thoughts expand to create the unwanted lifes we live.
So Now you know the dark curse that everyone fights.
Replace negative thoughts with positive ones. Focus on the positive and the law of attraction says that it must expand. If positive thoughts expand, we can expect some very pleasant experiences, objects, and relationships to appear in our lives. Nurturing positive thoughts can be as easy as Geting in to the habit of saying thank you and feeling appreciation for your health, car, home, family, job, spouse, friends, surroundings, meals, pets, and the blessings you continually receive. Affirming the wonderful person that you are all will expand and begin transforming your life into a joyous, happy experience filled with the objects that you enjoy, and with meaningful and uplifting relationships. Try it, you’ll like it.
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Post by Stormsong on Jan 20, 2008 21:07:03 GMT -5
Curses yes.. as much as I believe in the power to heal... I find most often the people curse them selves..if there mind is guilty and there thoughts are nagging and they THINK another has cursed them.. that other soul need not ever utter a word...
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Post by *Gypsy* on Jan 21, 2008 14:21:48 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]I do agree Strom....sometimes I believe that HATE is so strong that it is so powerful that any person can use that energy to curse someone.
I am talking about the hate like Giles Corey uttered before his death.
a hate so strong it crosses all time, dimensions and even defies logic.[/glow]
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Post by krystelynn on Jan 22, 2008 8:30:46 GMT -5
so as to answer your question Gypsy if you "believe" in curses then yes they are very real. I also believe that if you believe in something you give it power. I believe most of it is psychosomatic. The more people believe in the thing, the worse it will be for them, but if they really and truly don't belive then it really won't effect them. It really is amazing what the mind can do to you and how beliefs (however strong) can effect your life. |
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Post by *Gypsy* on Jan 22, 2008 12:52:36 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300][glow=red,2,300] [/glow] According to the legend, a curse befell the large, blue diamond when it was plucked (i.e. stolen) from an idol in India - a curse that foretold bad luck and death not only for the owner of the diamond but for all who touched it.
Whether or not you believe in the curse, the Hope diamond has intrigued people for centuries. Its perfect quality, its large size, and its rare color make it strikingly unique and beautiful. Add to this a varied history which includes being owned by King Louis XIV, stolen during the French Revolution, sold to earn money for gambling, worn to raise money for charity, and then finally donated to the Smithsonian Institution. The Hope diamond is truly unique.
Do you really believe this stone has a curse attached to it??
The Hope diamond is currently on display as part of the National Gem and Mineral Collection in the National Museum of Natural History for all to see.
More Info here:history1900s.about.com/od/1950s/a/hopediamond.htm[/glow] |
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Post by *Gypsy* on Jan 22, 2008 13:08:48 GMT -5
There have been several "curses" throughout history that appear to be real, King Tuts Tomb and the one on the American Presidency are also good examples. [glow=red,2,300] Merry Meet Starr,
Can you get us some info on the American Presidency curse?
I heard something's many years ago...I would be interested in finding out lots more.
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Post by *Gypsy* on Jan 22, 2008 13:28:43 GMT -5
There is a dark curse that we all have over use. It is so powerful that it can make your life miserable and negatively affect our relationships. But we can learn how to overcome this dark curse. It is so unwanted that it can upset your whole day and throw you into a depression. It will damage relationships and ruin your work life. It can cause ulcers and other diseases. It can drive you to quit your job, divorce your spouse, and seek psychologists. Do you get the idea that this is something very unwanted in your life. Researchers say that we can have up to 50,000 of these things each day. They fill each moment of our lives and rarely leave us alone. They actually attract into our lives the experiences and objects that surround us. They permeate everything and everywhere. So what is this curse, This curse is our thoughts. There are two types of thoughts, negative thoughts and positive thoughts. I could not agree more Dragon..our thoughts can be our own downfall.  <If we have a negative person in our life and that's all they are about.... it will drag you down also. I am referring to someone in my past whom made me physically ill. others could call him a Psy Vampire.  |
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Post by starr on Jan 23, 2008 23:53:55 GMT -5
I found this detailing the curse on the American presidency -
From Martin Kelly,
Coincidence or Something More?
William Henry Harrison won the presidency in 1840 with the slogan, "Tippecanoe and Tyler Too." This refers to his participation in the Battle of Tippecanoe in 1811. He was seen as a hero when Tecumseh's forces were defeated at this battle. Harrison's presidency never really had a chance to begin. He delivered a very long inaugural address on a cold, windy day. Then he was caught in a rainstorm. He caught a cold which turned for the worse and led to his death. He 'served' as president from March 4 - April 4, 1841. His death would be seen as the first in a long series of what became known as Tecumseh's Curse: Presidents elected in a year ending in a zero would die in office.
In 1860, Abraham Lincoln was elected as the first person to run under the Republican party. The United States quickly moved into a Civil War which would last from 1861-1865.
On April 9th, General Robert E. Lee surrendered to General Ulysses S. Grant thereby ending the rift that was tearing apart the nation. Only five days later on April 14, 1865, Lincoln was assassinated by Southern sympathizer John Wilkes Booth.
In 1880, James Garfield was elected to the presidency. He took office on March 4, 1881. On July 2, 1881, Charles J. Guiteau shot the President which eventually led to his death on September 19, 1881. The mentally unbalanced Guiteau was upset because he had been denied a diplomatic post by the Garfield administration. He was eventually hung for his crime in 1882.
In 1900, William McKinley was elected to his second term as president. Once again, he defeated his opponent, William Jennings Bryan as he had in 1896. On September 6, 1901, McKinley was shot by Leon F. Czolgosz. McKinley died on September 14th. Czolgosz called himself an anarchist and admitted to killing the president because, "...he was the enemy of the people...." He was electrocuted in October, 1901.
In 1920, Warren G. Harding was elected president as a stern response to the Wilson presidency. He is not considered to be among the better presidents to have served. Scandals such as the Teapot Dome and others marred his presidency. On August 2, 1923, Harding was visiting San Francisco on a cross-country Voyage of Understanding to meet people across the nation. He suffered from a stroke and died at the Palace Hotel.
In 1940, Franklin Roosevelt was elected to his third term as president. He would be elected again in 1944. His presidency began in the depths of the Great Depression and ended shortly after the fall of Hitler in World War II. He died on April 12, 1945, of a cerebral hemorrhage. Since he was elected during one of his terms in a year that ended with a zero, he is considered part of Tecumseh's curse.
In 1960, John F. Kennedy became the youngest elected president. This charismatic leader suffered some highs and lows during his short term of office including the Bay of Pigs Invasion, the creation of the Berlin Wall, and the Cuban Missile Crisis. On November 22, 1963, Kennedy was riding in a motorcade through Dallas and was assassinated. Lee Harvey Oswald was found to be guilty as a lone gunman by the Warren Commission. However, many people still question whether more individuals were involved in a conspiracy to kill the president.
In 1980, Ronald Reagan became the oldest man to be elected president. This actor-turned-politician also suffered highs and lows during his two terms in office. He is seen as being an important figure in the breakdown of the former Soviet Union. However, his presidency was tarnished by the Iran-Contra Scandal. On March 30, 1981, John Hinckley attempted to assassinate Reagan in Washington, D.C. Reagan was shot but was able to survive with quick medical attention. President Reagan is the first to foil Tecumseh's curse and some consider it to be broken.
This was an Indian Chiefs curse. I'll see what else I can find.
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