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Post by dragonsteve on Jan 18, 2008 16:17:55 GMT -5
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As many of us know we can all be singled out for being a witch or of wiccan due to the lack of understanding by those people that have been misinformed or know so little of what it is a witch does.
But are we as Witches also capable of doing the same thing. DARK MAGIC is of cause apart of Witchcraft but do we lack understanding of what dark magic is ?
Do you know the difference between dark magic and Black magic? Do white witches do dark magic and not realize?
please add your thoughts and feelings to this debate.
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Post by just on Jan 18, 2008 20:36:46 GMT -5
Ok, no stone throwing here please, I bruse easy. These are my thoughts and the way I believe. Dark magic is the same thing as black magic. sort of like some folks thinking a little white lie isn't lieing, it is. A lie is a lie, right? As a wiccan I believe we are to do NO HARM to anyone or thing. We are not to "cast" spells, for doing so has it back lashes. We can give blessings to those around us, but never ever "cast" a spell for that is forcing your will on another and that is against the Wiccan creed. Now, I have to ask, WHAT IN THE H311 IS A WHITE WITCH? Is it the same think as a brown one or a red one? Witches, last I knew, was never based as a color. So is this something new? Someway of someone trying to make something look like something it isn't? Geesh I'm too old for all these youths coming in and trying to make things seem as if they are something they are not. Black/dark magic is evil and is totaly 100% against the Wiccan's way of life. Wiccan's are a peaceful bunch and any true Wiccan would want to stay that way. Ok that is my say on all this, now I'll go to bed with very bad thoughts over this whole thread.
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Post by dragonsteve on Jan 18, 2008 22:34:37 GMT -5
Thank you very much Just'
you have already pointed out the very thing that im trying to say to people that a Witch is not a colour. and that magic is also not a colour, magic is neutral and unprejudiced it is not good or bad. a person can choose magic to do good or magic to do bad. that comes from the persons intent.
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Post by *Gypsy* on Jan 19, 2008 13:18:25 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]Merry Meet Dragon, Good post! Lets see:
Do you know the difference between dark magic and Black magic? yes, I do....Black Magic is mainly used in Voodoo or the Satanic people I don't think that has anything to do with witch craft.
Do white witches do dark magic and not realize? yes, I bet they do...beginners need more knowledge then they can tell the difference.
it's not so easy to use the colors on Witches.....and in Wicca/Wiccan they have a different type of labeling~ but they still do it. I think if we go from White as a beginner,Green,Gray or Red, just so some people can better understand. I think it's the knowledge that covers a lot of topics where you can place yourself, I understand for seasoned people in the craft it's hard to put a label on us.
I don't see Dark Magic as evil, that's the satanic people....they call it Black Magic but it's just Evil mess they do. I have never met a Witch who has ever said they we into any evil stuff..I think the word Witch gets a bad rap for that. Dark Magic is just a different color with more knowledge needed,I think it's an advanced level. to me it's different strokes for different folks, If I don't like something I won't do it.....If I don't like it..... I won't read it. I try to always remember this......judge not or ......you be judged yourself. Just my 2 cents here....lol[/glow]
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Post by osran on Jan 19, 2008 14:24:41 GMT -5
Merry Meet everyone. I tend to lend towards what Just had made a statement on. There is no " White Witch, Black Witch, Green Witch, Red riding hood witch. " It is clearly an understatment from today's society of teenagers.
There is varities of defination of black and white magick. And anyone who does dark magick against a person, Pray to the goddess that I'll never meet em.
We use white magick to balance our lives out, try to bestow harmony on ourselves and to our loved ones. No matter what crime has been committed in this world..No human soul should ever have to endure the witch's curses or dark magic. But as I said..Pray to the Goddess that I dont meet anyone that conjured up Dark magic for their own personal gain.
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Post by dragonsteve on Jan 19, 2008 18:51:45 GMT -5
Thank you Osran ,
Again you make some good points. But fail to state some facts. I do feel its very unfair to say that the society of teenagers are at fault for the misuse of words. In almost all witch and wiccan books written to day there is some thing on white witches and white magic, it is used very openly, many of these books are written by well know writers and I don't think by many teenagers. The youth of today will take what they are told and learn from that.
There is a difference between Black and white magic and many would say that they or the two opposites. this I also agree with, but then the word Black you change for Dark as tho they are one and the same. this is not so, and a white witch can do Dark magic , as you say for there own personal gain. A " White witch may do a love spell" to make a person love them or you. Could this also be against a person will? While in doing so would this fall into the same class as dark magic or in some cases even black magic.?
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Post by Stormsong on Jan 20, 2008 20:44:08 GMT -5
I will stick to my guns on this subject.. Magick... is a tool like a hammer or a garden rake.. it is there in the hands of the person doing the work... it is NOT the rakes fault if some in use it it to hit some one else.. all comes to intention... it is simple really it is MY Karma.. if I choose to do /say/ or cast something..it is my problem to deal with the consequences.as I am aware that there is consequences
my child was raped..and her rapist was no put put away the courts failed her...so I did some workings to help keep him away from her..things that would bring things down on his deserving head.
Does this make me Evil and dark? Or just protecting her from him coming around again?
I also think may other faiths are vastly misunderstood much like witchcraft is.. Santeria, Voodoo.Ifa for instance.. the Orishas. are Gods are not that different then any other pantheons to the best of my knowledge. there traditions simply more primaly shamanic then some..
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Post by poppy on Apr 21, 2008 9:24:19 GMT -5
if you think about it, spell work is very much about the intent of the person who is responsible.black and white magic is neutral,balanced, but If a person intends to do harm maliciously then the out come is bad practice on behalf of the practicer even if it comes back to bite them in the butt. Your inner concience will tell you that you are doing something wrong so no I dont think a person can cast dark magic without meaning to, because if a person calls themselves a witch and has heard "if it harms none..." then there should be the little voice in the head saying eg should I really be casting this spell to make somebody fall in love with me? I understand though how somebody who is "dabbling" and hasnt made themselves aquainted with good witch practice could get themselves into a bit of bother when deciding whats right and wrong, I always say if in doubt ask or look it up. when it comes to learning about the darker side of witchcraft, I think that learning about some aspects is better than not knowing at all, after all ignorance is dangerous.
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Post by aislinstorm on Apr 27, 2008 18:06:31 GMT -5
Poppy makes a very good point. Ignorance is very dangerous. I went to the only Wicca store I know of it my area. I drive over an hour to get there. I was looking for a specific type of book for educational purposes. I wanted to find a book on Necromancy. Reading some of Dragon's posts has made me curious.
The sales lady freaked out. "NO WAY YOU WANT A BOOK LIKE THAT." She told me. "WE WOULD NEVER CARRY ANYTHING THAT EVIL." I believe that if we use spirit magic it is a form of Necromancy. She thought it was just sending sprits to harm people. You can also ask a spirit for help in giving assistance to others.
Practice is in the hands of those that use it.
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