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Post by greywolf on Apr 2, 2007 15:46:47 GMT -5
i recently started talking to people on skype (a wonderful invention even with the bugs) and i started talking to a 17yr old in America who is practicing chaos magick. at first i was confused but interested in chaos magick, it isn't something you really hear about people practicing, or at least i haven't met anyone that does practice it. but thats not the point of my ramblings. she said to me about a week or so ago, that she was giving up her emotions for chaos magick, because they were getting in the way of things. at this i was very confused. how can emotions get in the way, i can understand how some emotions can get in the way, but all of them? i would imagine that someone devoid of all emotion would just be a shell. i couldn't imagine a life without my emotional roller coaster that is me. i think people would slap me if i ever tried to get rid of my emotions, as they shape us all even in the smallest of ways. she is an excellent author of some very dark poetry which i will post some of her work when i have spoken to her about it. i learnt that emotions can add potency to virtually all types of magick, they help with creativity and visualization. and they help us keep a balance in out lives. i may be wrong, but hey why not, it isn't like i am right all the time (looks for halo above head).
i just thought i'd post this just to see others opinions on the whole chaos magick thing and the whole thing of banishing all emotions to further knowledge in different 'fields' of magick.
blessed be
peter
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Post by estatigua (Tiggy) on Apr 4, 2007 3:58:49 GMT -5
I believe that emotion is a much needed tool in magick. Sometimes practitioners get negative results from their workings & bad karma & this maybe caused by angry emotion, so maybe she chooses to become "unemotional"? Perhaps not. BB tiggy x
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Post by *Gypsy* on May 7, 2007 23:47:28 GMT -5
Merry Meet Peter, wow, well...I'm sitting here thinking ...17 and wanting to give up her emotions for chaos magick~ that is sad~ #1 ....shes so young to make that kinda decision #2 ...from what I know of Chaos Magick it's more so on the darkside
~we all need to keep our emotions,thats what makes up human beings~ maybe she will give other forms of the craft a chance,sounds like Chaos Magick is not for her <if she feels her emotions are getting in the way> BB Gypsy
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Post by steve on Nov 18, 2007 10:49:46 GMT -5
My own thinking on this is that visualization is without doubt one of the most powerfull tools that we possess. My visualization tends to be influenced by my emotions. or my emotions shape the out come of a spell.
If some one needs me to help them with some kind of problem. Then i would try to imagion how they would feel, so that i could add emotion to the spell needed.
If more than one person is working on a spell or peace of magick, can we be sure that all the people are thinking and visualization the same thing or have the same emotions. if not this could change the overall out come or reduce the power that could of been produced.
If all the same people where used to produce the Energy needed and then one person added the emotion and directed that energy in the right direction would this not produce a better out come.
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Post by *Gypsy* on Nov 18, 2007 14:31:53 GMT -5
Does anyone practice chaos magick ? If so please explain why a person would give up their emotions for chaos magick. BB Gypsy
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Post by Rattamahatta on Nov 20, 2007 14:29:37 GMT -5
I'm confused as well to be honest. I have always wanted to explore more about chaos magic and theory but when I lok it u on the net there are so many different pathways I don't know where to start! But to give up emotions for magic? That sounds like the total opposite to me, after all your emotions are what makes a spell. But then each to their own, if it works for her then thats what matters, though she does sound a bit young to be practicing. Im my experience magic works best when you are a bit older and have more life experience.
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Post by *Gypsy* on Nov 20, 2007 15:43:32 GMT -5
I agree Toni
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Post by ladyjay on Jan 1, 2008 4:07:52 GMT -5
I dont understand differences in magick only the person that uses it. If she is chsotic than so is her magick regardless. She needs to be careful. Noone should experiment with magick until they study things abit more. They could really get into trouble that way.
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Post by dragonsteve on Jan 20, 2008 18:42:49 GMT -5
Ok I,ll try and put some light on the subject but Chaos magic is not one that is easy to explain. Chaos Magic almost defies description and is very personal and experimental in its nature. To some one that practices it can still it hard to define what it is and how it works. It can be very much like eclectic witchcraft in the methods. those who claim to practice it could say they are just doing your own thing. Chaos Magic holds no barries. The rule is that there are no rules, It is about learning what works for you and using it to accomplish your goals. The practice of Chaos Magic can be destablizing, It is designed to deconstruct belief. Like psychedelic drugs, it can drastically alter your reality. it does not have concepts such as white or black magic are not applicable to Chaos Magic, at least not in the sense of being good or evil. Magic is a force and has no moral qualities. it tends to push toward the extremes, finding balance by swinging from pole to pole rather than seeking "moderation. This new way of practicing the Art of Magic is as free as possible of all moral dogma, and a way to personal discovery. Because the practice aims to assimilate and then surpass the traditions and rules of other, it is by its very nature beyond our comprehension, and beyond our ability to predict.
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Post by starr on Jan 20, 2008 20:57:00 GMT -5
Wow, there are so many issues here I don't know if I should laugh, cry or pray. Magic is a force of energy. Properly channeled, it can produce results that will please you. Unchanneled energy seeks the balance of natural law or yin/yang, ect. This means the results will always have positive/negative results. Of course, even channeled energy has the same affect, the difference being that we channel where we want the positive and where we want the negative. Unchanneled is a wild card.
This type of magic reminds me of the saying "A little knowledge is dangerous". Saying that you are doing something that is free of moral dogma is the equivalent of saying I believe I can dabble on the surface of these ancient traditions and doctrines, see if it produces some miracles for me and if anything happens that I didn't want to or that harmed another, I have no responsibility for my actions. Honestly, it sounds as if this entire "Chaos Magic" theory is one that abdicates individual resposibility and accountability. They want to practice magick, but do not want to take the time and effort to understand the reasons behind traditions and rituals and why the rules that apply do. These are not just folklore passed down, they were established by practioners of craft and the "rules" that they leave us are based on there errors and the knowledge they gained from it. Moral dogma isn't dictated by man, it is a natural law, imposed by the forces of the natural world.
Now the issue of giving up your emotions. That is not possible unless you are suffering from a severe phychiatric disorder, no disrespect intended to anyone. You might suggest to your friend that perhaps it is not her emotions that are bringing the magickal reactions she is not comfortable with as it is the fact that she is not channeling her use of this energy, therefore, it is just rebounding to her producing god knows what effect.
I agree with the others before me, she is very young to be practising with no guidance. As you may know, my son is only 11 and learning the very basics of craft and wicca, however, be assured, he is being guided with an eagle eye and he is being taught the history and traditions of such, as well as personal responsibility for his use and practise of this.
Is she practising solitary or guided?
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Post by Stormsong on Jan 20, 2008 21:44:26 GMT -5
It almost feels like she is being led by someone.. be it person or book that is uninformed..and I hope at lest they have taken the time to explain that she needs to be ready for the type of magic she is using.. it was explained to me this way..
we are but a clay vessal..the chaos energy fills us so completely.. he we do not do the ground work.. the excesses to be ready for such a.....current... we could well spring a leek and crack.. maybe even shatter some times irreparably..
I REALLY REALLLY wish more parents where open minded to there children exploring religion so they did not feel the need to sneak about and be mis informed from rushed hasty research, or mis led by those that seek to be leaders whom are just unfit to be..
I hope she finds her way safely..
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